Friday, August 15, 2008

I Just Got Warned.

Apparently asking JadeGold to "Backup what you say or leave" is against DE Liberal rules. That said I have to hand it to them for not banning me. As we know many such sites (on both left & right) will do when folks engage in disagreements. If there's one thing I've been pleasantly surprised by on Delaware Liberal it's that they have not banned commenters who disagree with them.

I suppose I should have phrased that comment in a somewhat less blunt & direct manner. I may be blunt and direct, but I do treat them with respect. That said, I will say that I occasionally make generalizations which then need to be retracted or addressed to a specific commenter(s) instead. No one is perfect throughout the course of debate and I certainly do not claim to be.

As far as "anger." I'm blunt and direct, as anyone who reads this blog would know. If that is construed as "anger" by them then they are sorely mistaken. However, they are free to misconstrue the nature and tone of any comments I make. God, if they construe what I write as "anger" I can't imagine what they'd think of Nikki or Mischa's rantings.

Here is my warning in full.

"Mike:This is an official warning from the editors and contributors of
Delaware Liberal. You recently told someone to leave Delaware Liberal, in this comment:
http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/08/14/deep-thought-of-the day/#comment-49632

This is not allowed, and indeed it goes against the very nature of the site. We do allow all who disagree with us to comment here so long as their behavior remains respectful and civil. In fact, we allow you to comment on Delaware Liberal, even though your views are the exact opposite of ours. Delaware Liberal is not your site, even though you are welcome on it, and therefore you have no right or authority to tell anyone whether they should stay or go.

I understand your statement may have been said in anger or in the heat of the moment during an argument with another commenter, which leads us to another issue. We also have noticed that the frequency and heated nature of your comments have increased recently. We are not telling you not to post, for you are welcome to comment on anything so long as your comments remain respectful and civil, but you may want to consider if you are spending too much time on Delaware Liberal getting angry."
Update - There's some decent debate going on about this subject (banning folks / giving "timeouts") I'm glad to see some good comments.

34 comments:

The Last Ephor said...

"respectful and civil"? How many of these letters does Jason get in a day from his own site?

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

Mike W. said...

"We do allow all who disagree with us to comment here so long as their behavior remains respectful and civil. "

One thing I have noticed is this. Those who agree with and toe the DE Liberal party line can be as uncivil and disrespectful as they like with no repurcussions whatsoever.

I tell someone they need to refrain from commenting if they cannot do so without backing up their claimes and without personal attacks and I get muzzled for it.

Such is "reasoned discourse" I suppose. I still remember what happened with The Brady Campaign's blog.

Home on the Range said...

Respectful and civil?. . . from the ones that called all women gun bloggers redheck, wal-mart lurking affronts to womanhood who only blog because our husbands LET us?

Dr. B. - gun blogger and decided non WalMart shopper

Anonymous said...

'respectful and civil'

I totally did a spit-take when I read that. Was that a joke? Seriously, was there a laugh track?

Anonymous said...

btw, brigid, i was the one who made the redneck gun comments and it was a total joke. i know sometimes it's difficult to tell on a blog, but i wasn't serious. i'm truly sorry if i offended you.

ps - i'm happily married to a southerner who, while he was in the national guard, was sent to south dakota to partake in a shooting competition.

Anonymous said...

WOW.

I'm amazed. Truly. Talk about your double standard.

Anonymous said...

As you probably read at DL, I was against your "timeout", though I have no say in the matter.

I would suggest, if you decide to come back, lessen your post count, sometimes quality is better than quantity.

Another suggestion would be, don't be all 2nd Amendment Mike. I understand you and many others think it the most important issue, but I am sure you have other issues that you feel strongly about.

Just my thoughts, take it or leave it. I hope to see you back at DL.

the pistolero said...

Those who agree with and toe the DE Liberal party line can be as uncivil and disrespectful as they like with no repurcussions whatsoever.

A-yep. It's that way at all the virtual lefty hangouts. So much for tolerance and respect for other viewpoints.
BTW, I really don't get all the Walmart bashing...maybe I do have a biased perspective since I used to work there, but it mostly works for whatever I need.

Anonymous said...

Geez, Mikey, you whine an awful lot for a supposed adult.

BTW, Brigid? That description is very apt for female gun bloggers. I think I may steal it.

We often are treated to "demonstrations" by groups like the Second Amendment Sisters. Such demonstrations are typically 4 or 5 fat white males chanting slogans or trying to hand out "literature" with 4 or 5 spouses, sitting quietly in the background, doing crosswords or cross-stitch.

Best, JadeGold

Mike W. said...

"Another suggestion would be, don't be all 2nd Amendment Mike. I understand you and many others think it the most important issue, but I am sure you have other issues that you feel strongly about.

Just my thoughts, take it or leave it. I hope to see you back at DL."

Nemski - I have on many occasions discussed non-2A issues on DL, however almost immediately I was met with personal disrespect and ridicule regardless of the issue being discussed.

I will not "tone down" my posts just because you guys don't like what I say and can't engage in reasoned debate without personally attacking me like children.

Anonymous said...

Here's my suggestion:

(take it or leave it, anonymous and nems)

Don't tell people to lessen their post counts and to not voice the issues that are important to them. Especially when they don't give a rats ass what you think.

Anonymous: I'd love for you to look me in the eyes and say that the description about women gun bloggers is accurate. On second thought, you might want to grow a set and gain some testicular fortitude before doing so. If you don't....you might just get all excited and piss on yourself.

Anonymous said...

Fire: Rest assured, I'd have absolutely no qualms about looking you in the eye and yadda, yadda.

After all, how would you respond? You'd have to put your WalMart bag down and ask your hubby.

Best, JadeGold

the pistolero said...
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the pistolero said...

Fire: Rest assured, I'd have absolutely no qualms about looking you in the eye and yadda, yadda.

That's because you don't have the slightest clue just exactly who you're dealin' with, Sparky. But you don't have a clue about much of anything, so it's really no surprise at all.

Mike W. said...

"I would suggest, if you decide to come back, lessen your post count, sometimes quality is better than quantity."

Nesmki - My comments are quantity AND quality. I engage you folks with good, solid arguments that are factual and logical. That will not change.

I can only hope that you will "broaden your horizons" (something I've been told to do - laughable as that is) I'd quite like it if DL folks would attempt to engage me on the merits of my arguments like reasonable, rational thinking adults. Much of what I've seen to this point shows me you are incapable of doing so. Surprise me!

Anonymous said...

Jadewhatever:

I'm quite sure you would have no qualms about looking at me. Hell, I might would even give you my autograph on your ass.

What is it with you idiots? Do you work at Wal-Mart or something? You mention them a lot....do you get a kick-back from them every single time you and your ilk mention them?

Take your yadda-yadda and run on home. Do your wife a favor and buy her some energizer batteries. I'm sure her vibe is getting one hell of a work out considering that you're always on the jock of Mike, and anyone else who shares an interest in firearms. Let me guess, you were bullied as a child and you find that acting out in adulthood makes you stronger. Gives you a real sense of "self"? I think I would be working on that one a little more.

I mean this in a helpful kind of way.....buy your wife the jackrabbit vibe. She might even let you watch when she has "quality" playtime with herself. Don't forget the batteries.

Dismissed. Oh, and you forgot your balls. Wait. That wasn't fair. Let's try this again: On your way out, could you kindly pick your balls up? I know they can't be reattached, but put them in a jar and remember fondly of them times when you could play with them.

Anonymous said...

Nemski - I have on many occasions discussed non-2A issues on DL, however almost immediately I was met with personal disrespect and ridicule regardless of the issue being discussed.

I will not "tone down" my posts just because you guys don't like what I say and can't engage in reasoned debate without personally attacking me like children.


I would agree that people on DL can be asinine and disrespectful to many people include yourself and me (because I support Carney :-) ).

Not once in my original comment on your blog did I suggest that you "tone down" your posts. Debate is healthy and needed in these times.

I would suggest that when you are treated with disrespect, call them out on it in a polite manner. However, I'm sure you will tell me you have already done that. As someone once said:

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Anonymous said...

Nesmki - My comments are quantity AND quality. I engage you folks with good, solid arguments that are factual and logical. That will not change.

Let's play a little game here. Of 100 of your comments over at DL, how many were quality comments? Because from your comment above that I have included, I can only surmise that you believe it to be 100 quality comments.

the pistolero said...

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person.
What of the time Jesus sat down at the temple and made a whip to drive out the evil moneychangers? The man that was crucified to save our souls, made a whip, turned over tables, drove those sons of bitches out. He may have said "turn the other cheek," but he didn't tell the people in the temple that. He also didn't tell people I am reminded of the words of one Mahatma Gandhi: "An evil administration never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good man will, therefore, resist an evil system or administration with his whole soul."
Now, I don't mean to imply the folks at DL are evil, but I am sure you understand the spirit of what Gandhi said.

Mike W. said...

"Let's play a little game here. Of 100 of your comments over at DL, how many were quality comments? Because from your comment above that I have included, I can only surmise that you believe it to be 100 quality comments."

The huge majority of them were quality comments, which is more than I can say for Pandora, DBB and several other DL Contributors / Commentors.

Anonymous said...

Fire: Quick! Aisle 14! WalMart has a sale on Hostess DingDongs!

Pistolero: Fear not, my Sabine River Amigo! I understand who Fire is--just another heavy bottom ballasted redneck for whom life has passed by.

Best, JadeGold

the pistolero said...

I understand who Fire is
Uh, no. No, you don't. But I know you'll continue to talk out of your ass, just as all you hoplophobes do. Under the veil of anonymity, of course, because you're apparently scared shitless of all those unhinged gun nuts, as you term us, who would go off at the slightest provocation. Which really is pretty funny, because if my people and I were half as violent as you like to cast us, your ignorant, throroughly bigoted ass would have been worm food long, long ago.

Anonymous said...

Yup, that little letter did it for me - they obviously want an echo chamber (they have all but said so on the site, and the letter certainly indicates it), and who am I to not give people what they want?

Not worth my time and effort to disrupt their little love-fest, and it is not like we are going to make any headway there regardless.

Anonymous said...

It is just as I suggested. Anytime the one dimensionals and Delaware Liberidiot mention Wal-Mart, they get money.

Listen up, you chickenshit bastard, anytime you think you're bad ass, let me know. I'll gladly show you that you're not. My guess is that you have been pistol whipped a time or two like the little bitch you are.

You show your ass along with your class day in and day out. Which is to say you are without any class. You only think what those idiots at DL want you to think. Clearly you all get together in a group huddle to come up with responses to us. Considering you all say the same shit. "Wal-Mart this and Wal-Mart that".

Yeah, you wish I was what you say I am. You and I both know that you have an undeniable attraction to myself, Mike, and quite possibly Pistolero. I'm here to tell you, those guys don't swing your way. Now, I am a woman who appreciates a hot man, I just love a man who can handle his business and look damn fine doing it. So far, you haven't shown me anything to get wet about. I question: Are you REALLY a man?

Let me guess....your wife bitch- slapped your ass and you're upset and just have to find a forum to bitch on. You're pathetic. You are laughable. You are an idiot. I will say that you do excel in something. And that is lunacy.

Remember...anytime you think you're a bad ass, let me know. Until then, I will continue to scrape you off the bottom of my heels.

Now run along to your favorite store...yeah, you know the one. You mention it all the time. I will say this. I guarantee that some of my skirt or pant suits cost more than your vehicle payment. Don't believe me? Go ahead and live in your misguided, delusional world.

Anonymous said...

Pistolero and Wildfire,
JadeGold is a Troll. A Troll posts something outrageous as bait and waits to see who will jump on it. This gives the Troll a sense that its' pathetic life has meaning. It survives on the emotions it stirs in others and considers your anger to be a verification of its' cleverness and intelligence. Trolls are beneath contempt. They add nothing meaningful to a conversation and delight in diverting it for their own twisted purposes. They should be pitied and ignored, much like one treats the incomprehensible mumblings of a retarded person.

This particular Troll has singled out Wildfire which was a terrible mistake. Those of us who know her are quite well aware of the foolishness of this Troll. She does not fit the description in any way and definitely does not deserve to be baited by someone unworthy to shine her shoes. Poking at her merely shows JadeGold for the ignorant, malignant, despicable Troll it is.

Sadly, JadeGold has proven to be RockBrass for all the world to see.

Ok, Blog Owner, isn't it past JadeGold's bedtime now? How about tucking the little Troll in and keeping it from interfering with the grownups?

Max

Mike W. said...

Guys - JadeGold has been around for years. He's the troll of trolls. Unless we're going to calmly and factually disprove something he has to say it's not worth responding to him.

Getting into a mudslinging insult match with him accomplishes nothing, and is probably exactly what he wants. That said, I'm not going to ban him.

Anonymous said...

Max:

You are a class act. Thank you for that.

Mike:

I might have missed it, but did anyone say anything about banning JadeGold? Once again, I'll leave the eloquent arguments to you, Max, and P. I, however, enjoy a little mudslinging. It gets me going. When I am addressed in a negative manner, I will tend to it in my own special way. Surely you wouldn't ban me for doing so, would you?

Mike W. said...

Certainly not. My banning policy is simple. Don't threaten me or anyone else with violence, and don't spam my blog with ads and you don't get banned.

I was merely making the suggestion that it might be a good idea to just ignore JadeGold's insults. He's directing completely assinine comments towards you because he WANTS a pissing match between the two of you.

JadeGold is completely insane and out of touch with reality. I've seen JadeGold's idiocy for years (before I was blogging) That said, feel free to engage him if you want.

Anonymous said...

I will say this. I guarantee that some of my skirt or pant suits cost more than your vehicle payment.

I don't doubt that for a second, Fire.

That much material must cost a huge amount.

Best, JG

Anonymous said...

LOL! You're so full of shit. You are entertaining, though. I'll give you that...but that's all I'll give you. Don't you wish I was unattractive? You try to tell yourself that I am unattractive, but you just can't convine yourself of it.

Keep running your mouth, hot shot. Give more proof that you're a dumbass.

Anonymous said...

*convince

Even the most brilliant have a typo every now and then.

Anonymous said...

Fire: You're as attractive as you feel. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I'm sure you knock 'em out at WalMart.

In Kentucky.

Best, JG

Anonymous said...

Hey! Aren't you the guy that holds the sign that reads "Why go to the circus when you can look at me? And I'm cheaper." I knew you looked familiar. What's the matter, Wal-Mart not paying you enough?

We're dying to know....are you truly a senior citizen? Some of your lines seem a bit juvenile, and yet some seem old and worn out.

Got those batteries for the wife yet? Is she a Wal-Mart employee too? I bet they would almost be free considering you both get a discount. Oh, and do you have a picture you can scan of yourself. I bet you could make money at the range selling them as targets. That should help with the bills, hot shot.

Once again....I'm having to scrape you off the bottom of my shoe. Let me know when you stop pissing like a puppy.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry about the punctuation. I'm starting to look like you guys at Delaware Lib.

I'll make up for it now.

Here's the ? mark that was missing in my comment.