Wants to buy a gun?
Yup. He's a good guy who I have frequent discussions with at work. On Tuesday we ended up chatting about guns for about an hour. Now given our prior political discussions, which sometimes involved gun control, I wouldn't have taken him as a potential gun owner. I think sometimes those of us who are fervently pro-gun need a reminder that the general public has a lot of general ignorance and has been pumped full of a ton of misinformation on the subject. When you're talking to someone who fits that description they may not necessarily be anti-gun, but they spout anti-gun talking points because it's all they've ever learned.
Anyway, he's a young, smart, articulate black guy (despite being an Obama supporter) and he does an A/V editing / production gig on the side up in Philly in some not so nice areas. That and he had a friend who was recently robbed and shot in the back in Philly.
He had gone shooting at Targetmaster recently and wanted my advice on what to buy. Frankly I told him to do exactly what I didn't. Shoot as many guns as you can and buy the one you shoot best. He was looking seriously at a S&W Sigma .40, which I tried to steer him away from by saying that if you're buying something for carry/defense you want it to be reliable.
We also discussed ammo prices, concealed carry, OWB / IWB carry, deadly force laws and a bunch of hypothetical situations. (I wanted to get across the proper mindset if you're going to own/carry a gun. Avoidance & conflict deescalation) and I showed him my CCW permit. He had a lot of questions which I hope I was able to answer well without confusing him.
If he's really set on a .40 S&W I'd recommend a P229, which can be cheap if you buy a CPO. It was fun getting to have an open, engaging conversation about guns with someone I didn't expect.
I'm sure I'm leaving out quite a bit of what we discussed. Oh, and I told him to ditch the teacup grip, though my knowledge of what "proper grip" means is likely somewhat limited. I'm sure we'll be talking some more once he gets closer to actually picking out a piece.
Thursday, October 16, 2008
The Obama Supporter....
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Make sure you point out that Obama wants to make that Sigma illegal...
And my AR-15....and my P228, and the carry permit I showed him. Hell, Obama would rather he fend for himself unarmed in Philly.
But he's deep in the Obama Kool-aid and I don't think anything will pull him out.
Don't send him to a gun show. At the last on we went to, a guy looking to buy a gun wore an Obama button. Most dealers wouldn't talk to him and the ones that did wouldn't sell to him.
Haha, well I wouldn't even know where to start. I've never been to a gun show myself.
BTW - Was I right to tell him that Sigma's are generally regarded as junk? I've never heard any good things about them, only bad.
Of course I'm not the best guy to ask about new guns, since every gun I own is used.
Sigmas are nowhere near as bad as their reputation, however...
The early ones were rushed to market back in '94-'95 and were plagued with problems. Probably half the guns I sold from the first runs wound up going back for work of one kind or another. Also it got S&W on the losing side of a lawsuit from Glock.
They generally work okay, but holsters, sights, and accessories can be hard to come by. Also, the trigger pull is positively wretched and unamenable to improvement.
Trade in G23 and G22's can be had for sub 400 dollars with some looking.
your absolutely right about people- they aren't anti- they are just not exposed to both sides of the story.
Congratulations at a kind-of break through, but some folks are just blind to what will happen because they see themselves as an exception - that when Obama comes to take-way other people's guns his will be left untouched...
But good luck to him anyhow! I've heard that the police trade-in Sigs are real good.
Dirtcrashr - I think the Obama supporters (like my co-worker) just don't want to believe how bad Obama really is on guns. It's hard to explain to them how bad he is, and how bad the laws really are already. It's one of those things that I think you don't get a real appreciation for unless you're actually a gun owner.
And yes, police trade-in Sigs are great! I have two.
Tam - Thanks for the info on Sigmas. Sounds like they got a bit of a bad rap. I basically told him to buy whatever gun he liked and shot well, but to research that gun before making the purchase. I certainly don't want to steer someone away from a gun they really like just because may not be my cup of tea.
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