Sebastian finds out he can no longer carry in Nevada, since they've change their reciprocity agreements and no longer recognize Utah or Florida Non-Resident permits. Like he says, they need to stop jerking us around. It's extremely frustrating for CCW holders to have these reciprocity agreements change every time some bureaucrats feel like it. If PA were to suddenly decide not to honor Utah Non-Res permits my permit would be essentially useless.
I tend to look at CCW reciprocity and lack of state preemption as one big clusterfuck aimed at intentionally making things as difficult for gun owners as possible. This creates somewhat of a dilemma for pro-gun folks. Do we push for national reciprocity which eliminates the headache? Sure that sounds great, but do we really want to give the feds (and the ATF) power over the permitting process? I think I might actually prefer keeping things as they stand now rather than giving the federal government even more authority over the states.
Thursday, June 25, 2009
Sorry, Your Permit is No Longer Valid
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I'd rather just have full faith and credit like driver's licences. The Federal Highway Athority still hasn't issued me a license, but I can drive in all 50 states, as well as a bunch of forign lands.
But yeah I have 3 permits right now, and I'm waiting on my FL permit (who knows how long that will take) and then I'm not going to bother with any more unless somebody moves into one of those states that doesn't want to play with others.
I mean it's not like ANY state has problems with their resident CCW holders, so why the fuck would crossing an imainary line on a map make a lick of difference?
Permit Reciprocity is just politicos horse trading and playing games, nothing else.
I think its a little bit about revenue too. Fl non-resident permits are over a hundred bucks, utah isn't exactly free either. Enough of us apply for these that the depts probably make a little money. Why not try to milk an easy revenue stream.
In fact, this turn of events has been in the making for some time--about three years in fact. The Nevada Sheriffs/Chiefs had been unhappy for some time that Utah did not have a live fire qualification. They held off on the changes waiting to see if Utah would go to a live fire qualification. Since there's no sign of that happening, the Sheriffs/Chiefs are making the move to no longer recognize Utah. There is a yearly CCW meeting in August, always well attended by the public, and you can bet there will be lots of discussion on this issue.
Honestly I didn't even realize UT didn't have a live fire requirement. I had a live fire session as part of my CCW class when I got my UT Non-Res.
My question is simple though. Who cares if they have such a requirement? Are we seeing an issue that would suggest UT permit holders are less responsible than CCW holders in other states?
Seems like a solution to a non-existent problem to me.
Mike - UT is significantly cheaper than FL. $65 I think my permit was.
Oh well, all this does is give me less incentive to visit Nevada.
"My question is simple though. Who cares if they have such a requirement? Are we seeing an issue that would suggest UT permit holders are less responsible than CCW holders in other states?
Seems like a solution to a non-existent problem to me."
Not if your problem is "People exercising their 2nd Amendment rights, and/or an armed populace fending for themselves without the help of Ma'Government."
But yeah, Vermont has NO permit requirements at all. New Hampshire requires a $10 bill and proof of age and residency. Maine and Mass require live fire pistol courses, Mass permit costs $100, Maine $60.
These states are all in the same area, and the only one that's remotely different is Mass, as we have big cities with gangs in them here...that's it. Western Mass is just a quiet and low crime as any of the other states. Same with Upstate New York. Take out NYC and you have a damn sleepy state.
All of these states have near zero problems with their carry permit holders...also none of them mentioned honor eachother's permits (Yep I have a carry permit for Maine, Mass, and NH. Waiting on my Florida just for the massive reciprocity)
Pretty stupid when you look at it!
For those that care, the NH non Resident Permit just jumped from $20 to $100!!!
What a dick move!
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