"You cannot win that particular religious debate. They'll just claim that things would be even WORSE without gun control. That's the beauty of gun control arguments--you can't disprove them with numbers. Pass the law and crime goes up? Proves the need for gun control because "crime would be even worse without it." Pass the law and crime goes down? Proves the need for gun control because "see? Gun control works!"
- Marko Kloos
This is the anti-gun argument in a nutshell, and it's flatly absurd. I've heard it with my roommate. Try to speak facts to them and they just flip their argument on its head. Well that and admonish you for your narrow-minded reliance on facts and numbers, because you see, they're the enlightened ones who can think outside of the box. "The box" being facts, historical reality, etc. which you, you meanie, are trying to box them into by relying on such things instead of blind emotion and hysterics.